Ginny Weasley
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Post by Ginny Weasley on Jan 8, 2004 17:05:51 GMT -5
Yes I do too. I posted that theory or something like it about a week or two ago. Remember what Luna said? "It's not like I'm never going to see her [my mother] again.... didn't you hear them back there? They were lurking out of sight."
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Post by everest on Jan 8, 2004 17:22:52 GMT -5
i still think sirius dieing by falling through the viel must have some significance why not give sirius a hereos death why have him fall through a very mysterious viel
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Ginny Weasley
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Post by Ginny Weasley on Jan 8, 2004 17:24:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I believe J.K. did that to point out the significance of the veil and that it kills people that go through it and there may be something VERY important later.
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Post by jem on Jan 8, 2004 18:31:32 GMT -5
i think harry will go back to the veil someday and will try to talk to sirius or something, but i don't expect that to work.
he has to go back to the department of mysteries sometime because we still don't know what's behind that door where sirius's knife melted in the key hole, and we still don't know what those planets and brains were all about.
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Ginny Weasley
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Post by Ginny Weasley on Jan 8, 2004 19:59:02 GMT -5
We do know what the locked door contained -- love. Dumbly explained it at the end. No clue as to what the brains and planets are.
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Post by everest on Jan 8, 2004 20:18:54 GMT -5
maybe knowledge for the brains theve already got time, love and death covered
No idea about the planets though
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Post by fantasyfan1 on Jan 8, 2004 20:39:49 GMT -5
the planets probably have something to do with the universe and space, b/c wizards don't need astronauts to know whats going on out there
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Post by jem on Jan 8, 2004 20:54:33 GMT -5
i forgot about that room containing love. that's so cheesy. love. well geez, harry could just hide out in there, then voldemort wouldn't be able to touch him. they would have been wise to put the prophecy in the there. and the sorcerors stone.
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Post by Hermione Potter on Jan 9, 2004 17:11:13 GMT -5
dead means gone. not coming back.
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Post by elysium on Jan 9, 2004 17:14:58 GMT -5
o i definatley think the veil represents a form of death but it seems an odd way to kill a hero charachter y not give him a heros death y make him fall through mysterious veil i think the fact sirius didnt die a "normal" death might be somthing important. JKR said that she wanted to show how sudden and arbitrary death is.
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Post by elysium on Jan 9, 2004 17:15:57 GMT -5
i forgot about that room containing love. that's so cheesy. love. well geez, harry could just hide out in there, then voldemort wouldn't be able to touch him. they would have been wise to put the prophecy in the there. and the sorcerors stone. If Sirius' knife melted, don't you think "love" is pretty dangerous? I say so, even in real life.
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Post by elysium on Jan 9, 2004 17:31:29 GMT -5
My thoughts: NHN knows what he's talking about, even if he doesn't know about Death. Dumbledore says that Death is but the next great adventure, but a lot of people are afraid of death.
Notice the reasoning behind every non-living, un-dead person in the books. Just look at Voldemort, going to any lengths to preserve himself, staying alive sleeplessly and hopelessly through all the pain and disembodiment. NHN said himself that he was afraid to move on, and Myrtle chose not to because she wanted to haunt Olive Hornby. I'm pretty sure those are the only non-living, undead characters we know well enough to make conclusions about. Oh yeah, and Binns. He didn't even notice he was dead, so I doubt he could have made that concious choice to go on.
Also I think there's the factor of people who have no reason to stay. I believe that James, Lily, and Mrs Lovegood moved on because they could do no more for the world, and it would have been painful for their children to have ghost parents. Sirius would have wanted to be with them, and move on in the after-life. And anyways, who knows, maybe in Rowlings world there is war waging in the Land of the Dead, and they were needed there as well.
Time-Turner is definitely out of the question, because as someone mentioned before if Harry had done that then he would have known already, if that makes sense. Then again, isn't it plausible that at some point that person had to originally see that tradgedy happen, in order to persuade them to go back and change it in the first place?? Or do they just see it happen and see themselves saving the person and know that they decided to go back and do it? Argh, complicated.
Anyways, bringing Sirius back, even as a ghost, is very lame, and not at all JKR's style. And anyways, it wouldn't necessarily be Sirius coming back, but a sort of shadow of his living self, as NHN says.
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Post by jem on Jan 9, 2004 23:54:45 GMT -5
If you are going to reason that moaning myrtle stayed to haunt olive hornby, that sirius could just as easily stay to look out for harry. i am not just saying this because i want it to be true, but i think that it's a possibility.
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Post by meatnmilk on Jan 10, 2004 19:11:35 GMT -5
According to Nearly Headless Nick, being a ghost is being neither here nor there, a pale imitation of life....I rather suspect that after years in Azkaban, followed by hiding out for a few years, that Sirius will have had enough of paley imitating life.
I consider that at this time, Sirius is more useful to JKR dead (and gone ie not a ghost). It can add to the emotional charge of her readers, and keep tension high (if she could kill Sirius who or what is next?...) and also can do the same for the characters in the story, however such an impact would be mitigated or even nullified if Sirius appeared in ghost form.
I cant see any real use for Sirius alive (or even as a ghost), except to provide someone for Prof Snape to argue with, and frankly theres no huge shortage there!
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Post by jem on Jan 10, 2004 20:58:56 GMT -5
before the 5th book came out, i thought "sirius will be the one to die because he's got the least significant role, and his death would affect harry the most". but the fact that nearly headless nick said with certainty that sirius won't come back, the fact that he said that but can't possibly know for sure, makes me think sirius might become a ghost, although harry won't see him again until at least the end of the next book. i can see jkr doing that, having some character say that sirius won't become a ghost, but them surprising us later. but i agree with you meat n milk, (yes, i am surprised to hear myself say that too -- I can't imagine what Sirius could possibly add to the story at this point. I think that would be part of the surprise of seeing him again, as a ghost.
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