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Post by olaflover on Jun 17, 2004 10:00:29 GMT -5
I for one am not ashamed to admit that I love the idea of Lily/Snape. I know, I know it's cliched and all that stuff but I trust Rowling as a writer to be able to pull it off. I also know that I am jinxed in some way and that most of my couples don't work out so there will probably be some twist in the story that makes it impossible for Snape/Lily to have been involved. Since it's still open, however, I can still swoon over the idea.
I think that Lily LIKED Snape. She smiled when his underwear showed and I wonder if it's because she's laughing at him or because she likes what she sees.
Sure, Snape called Lily a Mudblood but this could be because of his upbringing. We don't know what his parents were like, and if we are to believe that the hook nosed man Harry saw from Snape's memory is Sev's father the guy doesn't seem like a great guy. Plus, Ron insulted Hermione during the first year, making her run to the washroom and cry. Hermione still liked Ron and it's so apparent she now loves the guy. There are many examples in fiction where the guy insults somebody they like or the girl does. Anne of Green Gables, Lolita, and if you ever see "Blue Velvet" Dorothy's sad at the end because she loves Frank and misses him.
Snape could have changed. Lupin says in the POA movie that Lily saw the beauty in people even when they did not see it in themselves. Rowling once said it was a horrible idea for anybody to want Snape to love them. She then said that it was funny because in the last book you would find out something about Snape's romantic life. Was Lily kind enough to love Snape despite it all?
Maybe. Who can say for sure. She seemed to like him better than she liked James and she didn't want James to make him apologize. Maybe she wanted Snape to ask for forgiveness himself.
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Post by Moony on Jun 18, 2004 8:48:09 GMT -5
I would hope that seeing some greasy guy's dirty tighty whities wouldn't turn our dear Lilly flower on....but just in case...I just can't see her liking him b/c he is not that attractive to me. He takes his anger out on Harry by picking on him when we really have no idea what all Snape is truely upset about. AND--perhaps for some odd reason Lilly did like Snape, then he obviously did something to make her turn her nose up at him b/c she DID end up with his arch enemy. James sure did mature according to some, but we have to keep in mind that he still has to have some of that meschivious spunk and prankster in him in his seventh year. Maybe Snape went to get him back and that was what made Lilly fall for him, she got mad at Snape for pranking James and was like 'I woooooovvvveeee Jameseeeeeesss!'...well i've said enough...
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Post by Bellatrix Lestrange on Jun 19, 2004 4:34:48 GMT -5
I believe that Lily stopped the bullying cause she didn't like bullying.
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Post by Chool on Jun 21, 2004 9:30:20 GMT -5
Hate is such a negative thing. I will never understand why people are so against the thought of Lily & Snape. I'm fan of Lily & Snape & I make no apologies for this. I believe that everyone has the right to like what they want to like. If people want to like Lily & Snape what does it matter to anybody. If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
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Post by olaflover on Jun 21, 2004 9:38:40 GMT -5
I can't figure out why everybody loves James/Lily so much. I wouldn't post this at a thread for James/Lily because I wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings but since this IS a Snape/Lily message and all...
There is little that we do know about Lily's relationship with James. Everything we've heard has been from somebody who knew them or that moment when Voldemort went to the house to kill Harry. Why are people so anti Snape and Lily and so pro Lily/James?
From Snape's memory it seems like Lily did NOT like James and I can't blame her. People consider James to be great and Snape to be a loser. Lily seemed equally upset at James as she was at Snape. She said James was full of himself and that he hexed people for the fun of it. She also said that Snape had NOT done anything to hurt James. Looks don't count in my opinion and if Lily was a kind person they wouldn't have mattered to her.
I've heard James/Lily supporters say that Lily was playing hard to get. Hogwash! I suppose that Molly Ringwald's character in Pretty in Pink is playing hard to get with James Spader's character. Or maybe Belle just really wants to marry Gaston.
Lily did not like James. I think that maybe the key for her dating him is when Harry wonders if James forced her into it.
Snape and Lily would make a better pair than Lily/James. Also remember in the Chamber of Secrets Ginny stands up to Harry against Malfoy who is bullying him. She tells Draco to Leave Him Alone.
When James was picking on Snape, Lily also told James to Leave Him Alone!
Coincidence? Maybe. Or Maybe not.
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Post by elysium on Jun 21, 2004 9:52:15 GMT -5
Well, for one thing, Snape is pretty much incapable of showing affection, no matter how much he likes someone. I don't care how humiliated you are, you do not call someone you care about such a disgusting name.
And who cares if she hated him then? It was obvious she didn't HATE him, she just thought he was incredibly immature and egotistical. I've hated this guy since the 6th grade for exactly the same reasons, but you know what? He grew up this year, and I'm impressed. In fact, he called me last night and I finally decided to go out with him. People change, especially after adolescence.
And chill, no one was saying you don't have a right to your opinion.
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Post by Bellatrix Lestrange on Jun 21, 2004 9:55:18 GMT -5
I hate the idea of Lily/James. But Lily/Snape? Uh uh. I stand up for people ALL THE TIME. I don't like them that way. And forcing her into it? No. James wasn't that powerful. And Lupin would have done something about it.
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Post by olaflover on Jun 21, 2004 10:16:40 GMT -5
I think that Snape gets a bad rap. People stand up for other characters but fans are not that ready to defend Snape.
How do we know what Snape is really like? We know that Dumbledore trusts him. What if Snape has to act the way he does towards Harry and his friends. Think of it... If Snape knew that someday the Dark Lord would return he would have to make sure, if Dumbledore sent him to be a spy, that he still seemed evil. Draco Malfoy's father, Lucius, is on Voldemort's side and if Draco told Lucius that Snape was playing nice with the students from the other houses wouldn't it look a bit odd?
I also have to mention Snape's upbringing. He called Lily a Mudblood. This hurt her but she was still equally mad at James. James said that he would never call her a Mudblood but Lily said he was just as bad as Snape. Do we know what Snape's father was really like? What if he taught Snape to hate what he called Mudbloods. If this was the case Snape could still change. You are giving James the right to change but not Snape. I don't care if Snape did use a disgusting name. Remember, there is more rejoicing among the angels in Heaven when a sinner repents than over a saint. You say that Lily could have forgiven James whom she considered to be just as bad as Snape but you're telling me she wouldn't forgive Snape?
I think Snape needs a little love here.
Plus , Bellatrix I wasn't saying that James did a spell. I was talking about something else. I'm not going to say it though.
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Post by Bellatrix Lestrange on Jun 21, 2004 10:22:43 GMT -5
I think that Snape gets a bad rap. People stand up for other characters but fans are not that ready to defend Snape.
No, I'm willing to defend him. But he wouldn't call someone he liked a Mudblood. And Lily wouldn't like him if he called her a Mudblood. My friend liked this guy and he called her a baboon's backside. And then my friend started hating him. If someone you like insults you like that, you don't like them anymore.
How do we know what Snape is really like? We know that Dumbledore trusts him. What if Snape has to act the way he does towards Harry and his friends. Think of it... If Snape knew that someday the Dark Lord would return he would have to make sure, if Dumbledore sent him to be a spy, that he still seemed evil. Draco Malfoy's father, Lucius, is on Voldemort's side and if Draco told Lucius that Snape was playing nice with the students from the other houses wouldn't it look a bit odd?
Yes, but Volde isn't that stupid. He knows some things, that Snape betrayed him. He wouldn't let Snape waltz in pledging allegiance again! I grant that the Snape/Malfoy connection is odd. We'll learn something about it.
I also have to mention Snape's upbringing. He called Lily a Mudblood. This hurt her but she was still equally mad at James. James said that he would never call her a Mudblood but Lily said he was just as bad as Snape. Do we know what Snape's father was really like? What if he taught Snape to hate what he called Mudbloods. If this was the case Snape could still change. You are giving James the right to change but not Snape. I don't care if Snape did use a disgusting name. Remember, there is more rejoicing among the angels in Heaven when a sinner repents than over a saint. You say that Lily could have forgiven James whom she considered to be just as bad as Snape but you're telling me she wouldn't forgive Snape?
She called James as bad as Snape because James was a complete jerk there.
Plus , Bellatrix I wasn't saying that James did a spell. I was talking about something else. I'm not going to say it though.
James isn't that bad. Otherwise he wouldn't be so popular, and Lupin would never stand for that, neither would Sirius, we know them both. I admit that.
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Post by elysium on Jun 21, 2004 10:25:57 GMT -5
Excuse me, but Snape is my favorite character. Don't go there! And upbringing is never an excuse for bad behavior.
And it's a bit sick if you think that way about James. It's a kid's book, for crying out loud.
I adore Snape, but he still does not have enough healing with his psychological wounds to have a relationship. He needs therapy, plain and simple.
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Post by Bellatrix Lestrange on Jun 21, 2004 10:37:32 GMT -5
I seriously doubt JK would do that, yeah. And Snape needs a psychiatrist. Any in mind? He also needs huggles. Any volunteers?
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Post by elysium on Jun 21, 2004 10:39:53 GMT -5
Me! LOL, I also happen to be a therapist...
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Post by Bellatrix Lestrange on Jun 21, 2004 10:40:40 GMT -5
Heh, knew you'd volunteer...Snape's at Hogwarts. *hands a broom* Flying is good...
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Post by olaflover on Jun 21, 2004 10:46:14 GMT -5
Now Now Now I didn't mean anything rude with James forcing Lily to go out with him. Why I didn't say it was because I have a habit of jinxing things if I say a theory.
What I meant was this.
In the fifth year Lily came to Snape's resuce when James and Sirius were picking on him.
In the sixth year James rescued Snape.
In the seventh year James and Lily started to date.
Maybe James only rescued Snape because of Lily. Maybe she agreed to go out with him if he saved Snape!
Maybe this is why Snape is so bitter about the whole event.
I hate it when people think in the gutter.
I also say that in my opinion that upbringing does have an influence. You may differ on this Elysium but please respect my opinion and I will respect yours. I find it funny that you say Snape is your fave character but you won't give him any slack. I'm sorry but I will go there because I simply can't understand it. You don't realize that if you forgive James you can forgive Snape. If upbringing is never an excuse for acting badly than what excuse does James have?
Also, Harry was not angry at Snape for calling his mother a Mudblood. He was more upset at James. Why than do fans always forget this. If anyone had the right to be mad at Snape it would be Lily's son and Lily herself. Since Lily isn't alive we can't ask her if Snape ever apologized or not.
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Post by Bellatrix Lestrange on Jun 21, 2004 10:52:17 GMT -5
What about Sirius? Upbringing didn't have a lot of effect on him. It all depends on the person, olaflover. And you should seriously consider registering.
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